trackers-d Monday, November 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 531 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 10:26:56 -0400 From: "Kevin Reeve" Subject: Re: trackers-d V1 #530 No. everyone in the US of A should be getting True Tracks. If not, check with the office. If you are in Canada or Europe, different story. The person in the class in question complained about the class address list (that you sign up for voluntarily) being used for commercial purposes, something we can do nothing about. Kevin >Kevin Reeve can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe >all August Standard attendees were automatically taken >off the newsletter mailing list because someone at the >class complained about being put on random mailing >lists. > >- --John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:58:00 -0500 From: George Olschewski Subject: Unadulterated seeds? Most commercial seed companies (Burpee, etc.- the little pack seeds found in supermarkets or catalogs) nowadays genetically engineer their seeds as to only have 1 or 2 productive years at best, then the plant will grow, but will yield crappy, or no, fruit. This is to insure that their seeds will continue to have a market, and people won't have a "free" supply of seeds from the fruits of their labor, pun intended. Does anyone know of anyplace that deals in "wild" seeds where one can purchase tomatoes, squash, and other vegetables and fruit seeds that DON'T have this self-destructive genetic quirk? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:18:05 -0500 From: Wheaton Little Subject: Anyone take scout with these people? Hey, this is completely besides the point, but I'm looking for a few people in the tracker family- anyone know Filiberto Trocchio, Monica Debrand, Brandon Broadwater, Bill McConnell III, Dave Magiuel, Jennifer Buchanan, Billie Sue, Eric Splowitz or Jason Edmunds? Also, has anyone taken the Coyote teaching class? How is it? Thanks. Humbly yours, Wheaton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:59:50 -0500 From: Erin Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? Have you heard of "heritage seeds" They're being "marketed" out here (NY), as coming from old stock, never altered.......I think I saw them mentioned eons ago on a Martha Stewart show. She has a web page, and maybe you could search there. Good Luck, Erin George Olschewski wrote: > Does anyone know of anyplace > that deals in "wild" seeds where one can purchase tomatoes, squash, and > other vegetables and fruit seeds that DON'T have this self-destructive > genetic quirk? > > Thanks! > > - > To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to > trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in > the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: > http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html > - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:44:27 -0500 From: cales@brier.net Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? look up heirloom seed companies. they are all saveable. keep different types away from each other. such as corn - 100 yds. distance, tomatoes-25 yds, etc.. > Most commercial seed companies (Burpee, etc.- the little pack seeds found >in supermarkets or catalogs) nowadays genetically engineer their seeds as >to only have 1 or 2 productive years at best, then the plant will grow, but >will yield crappy, or no, fruit. This is to insure that their seeds will >continue to have a market, and people won't have a "free" supply of seeds >from the fruits of their labor, pun intended. Does anyone know of anyplace >that deals in "wild" seeds where one can purchase tomatoes, squash, and >other vegetables and fruit seeds that DON'T have this self-destructive >genetic quirk? > >Thanks! > >- >To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to >trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in >the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: >http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html >- > Preserve wildlife habitat, shoot a land developer. a t-shirt logo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:16:17 -0500 From: George Olschewski Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? On Erin's prompting, I found the following source for non-hybrid, genetically unaltered seeds, capable of producing fruit and seeds for years: http://www.mvseeds.com Mountain View Seeds- they sell a "Garden In A Can" which has 16 kinds of veggie seeds in it. Looks interesting! As I look more, and find more, I'll post what I discover. Thanks, George P.S. No luck w/ Martha Stewart. . . :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:58:27 -0500 From: Marcia Nelson & Mike Pedde Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? > Does anyone know of anyplace that deals in "wild" seeds where one can purchase > tomatoes, squash, and other vegetables and fruit seeds that DON'T have this > self-destructive genetic quirk? There are groups like the Seed Savers Exchange (try http://www.ic.org/fic/cdir/res/SeedSavers.html) and Save Our Seeds that work hard to protect and maintain heritage seeds. Also try: http://www.seedsavers.org/ http://www.bio.indiana.edu/people/terminator.html Hope that helps.... Me. - -- "The kingdom of God is within you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Lift a stone and you will find Me." The Gospel of Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:08:47 -0500 From: Marti Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? Here is another site about unadulterated seeds. Their "Y2K" packs are thoughtfully planned, and are worth a look. Happy gardening! http://www.seedsblum.com/ Also of interest, and something I might try: in Euwell Gibbons' book, "Stalking the Wild Asparagus" he has a chapter on growing wild edibles indoors during the winter. He gives details about how to grow poke, and other plants (I'm working out of town right now and don't have the book with me, to give you more details). It sounds like a really good idea and I might try it -- but I wondered if it is too "un-natural" and maybe against nature and maybe spiritually hard on the plant, to be forced during the wintertime. Any thoughts on this? - - Marti George Olschewski wrote: > Most commercial seed companies (Burpee, etc.- the little pack seeds found > in supermarkets or catalogs) nowadays genetically engineer their seeds as > to only have 1 or 2 productive years at best, then the plant will grow, but > will yield crappy, or no, fruit. This is to insure that their seeds will > continue to have a market, and people won't have a "free" supply of seeds > from the fruits of their labor, pun intended. Does anyone know of anyplace > that deals in "wild" seeds where one can purchase tomatoes, squash, and > other vegetables and fruit seeds that DON'T have this self-destructive > genetic quirk? > > Thanks! > > - > To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to > trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in > the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: > http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html > - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:29:02 -0800 From: "Kim A. Cabrera" Subject: Pictures of Tracking 1999 gathering Hello all, If anyone wants to see the pictures of the Tracking 1999 gathering, which was held last weekend, point your browser to this site: http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/beartracker/index.htm There are a bunch of thumbnails on the page. Click on them to see the big pictures. They aren't in any particular order. Sincerely, Kim A. Cabrera *********************************** "Animals don't cover their tracks." www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/7076/ www.humboldt.net/~tracker/ www.humboldtredwoods.org Charter Member: International Society of Professional Trackers ********************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:16:08 -0500 From: Erin Subject: Re: Trackers- Unadulterated seeds? This is so cool. I just grew dandylions inside (started outside before the frost). I'll have to get his book and try some others. This summer I grew carrots, scallions, lamb's quarters, and herbs in containers, because my soil is so poor. I harvested some seeds of wild plants, and will have to try his in door plants. Thanks, ERin Marti wrote: > Here is another site about unadulterated seeds. Their "Y2K" packs are thoughtfully > planned, and are worth a look. Happy gardening! > > http://www.seedsblum.com/ > > Also of interest, and something I might try: in Euwell Gibbons' book, "Stalking the > Wild Asparagus" he has a chapter on growing wild edibles indoors during the winter. > He gives details about how to grow poke, and other plants (I'm working out of town > right now and don't have the book with me, to give you more details). It sounds like > a really good idea and I might try it -- but I wondered if it is too "un-natural" and > maybe against nature and maybe spiritually hard on the plant, to be forced during the > wintertime. Any thoughts on this? > > - Marti > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:11:40 PST From: "Tom Gibbons" Subject: Tanning Raccoon Hide I'm tanning a Raccoon hide - my first try at tanning anything. I've stretched it and dried it and scraped it. Even though it is as dry as it will probably get, when I scape off the dry layer, there still seems to be some fatty stuff on the scaper. Is this normal? I've heard raccoon is pretty greasy. If anyone has brain-tanned a raccoon hide, do you have any pointers? I'm doing it with the hair on. I've got it scraped to the point where I can see the hairs in the follicles so I think I've done enough. My next step will be to lightly sand the hide then brain it. Am I on the right track here? ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:58:36 EST From: Coyotspirit@aol.com Subject: Debris huts, burning logs, and other odds and ends. well, I finally got 3/4 of my debris hut finished at my little woods today. Id have finished it but I promised my dad id be there. Ive just gotta get the thing stuff full of leaves and pack it down and make the door plug. Man, I was scared id scrape the area clean of leaves but you cant even tell I used any around the hut. It blends in so naturally you dont even see it if you dont know its there. I aint that concerned with people finding it. I was realizing how funny it was when my mind was rambling on about the stupidest things when you keep yourself buisy for a good while. Its like your minds just lashing out for something to do while your body works. I did just about nock myself silly today when I went to break a branch by smacking it on the ground. A big peice of it flew up and wraped me silly on the jaw! I was seeing twittering birds flying around my head for alittle whild there. But then again I always seem to see little twittering birds around! The woods were just loaded wiht robins and one winter wren was out there sculding me for being in his area. And of course all the rest of the bird clan was there. Hermit thrushes, chicadees, golden crowned kinglets, 3 types of woodpeckers, red and white breasted nuthatches, and a few others im forgetten im sure. I was almost out of luck though because the forest preserve burned the woods two weeks ago. So I almost didnt have leaves for the hut. But fortunatly they missed the back quarter of the woods! Also the most "remote" part of the preserve. So I was in luck. WHen they burned logs lit up like coal holders! THeres areas where logs are acting like a giant punk and are still buring two weeks after theyve burned. Some are so unique to. One was a standing tree that caught and smoldered itself off, fell over into the arms of another tree and has traveled and the rate of a few inches every 6 hours or so id guess. So now there is this giant drag mark in the ground about 25-30 feet long! And is still going to. I was sitting next to them to warm up. Its nice having a fire just waiting for you already in the woods. It was extremely joyful! I was sitting there next to this burning log enjoying its warmth. Then up comes this buck that never knew I was there to about 10 yards away. He up and chased a bunch of does in the distance eventually. The squirrels all running around me. This place has a bunch of beautiful fox squirrels! All the while I was being rained on by wood chips from a woodpecker above and talked to by all the birds ive already mentioned. Then a redtail come soaring through really low to the ground just over me and goes after a squrrel. It missed but breath taking non the less. Then as I was leaving two raccoons dicided they didnt like each other and fought fight behind. Man those guys are the scarest sounding things in the world then there mad! Just thought id share my beautiful sunday afternoon. Good Medicine, Lone Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:38:35 -0600 From: "bmgecko" Subject: Interesting newsbit on the wolves of Isle Royal, MI http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/wolves991028.html Link to the bit on ABCNews above, and for those getting this via straight e-mail the story (brief is underneath. Hope this don't take up too much bandwidth! Chris Astier ABCNEWS.com Oct. 28 - Predator and prey. The diner and dinner. Ecologists long considered it a fairly straightforward relationship. Populations vary, depending how many predators and prey are around, and how successful each is at staying alive. But 40 years' worth of data on the wolves of Isle Royale in Michigan reveals something far more complex. Turns out that the weather over the North Atlantic can cause wolves to change their behavior, which in turn affects how many moose survive. Forty years of research reveal wolves change their hunting behavior according to snowfall. (Jim Mone/AP Photo) The study, published in the journal Nature, is the first to link a large-scale weather phenomenon with predator-prey interactions. In the case of this isle of about 25 wolves, a weather pattern called the North Atlantic Oscillation can trigger winters of heavy snowfalls. In deep snow, both wolves and moose stick to the shorelines and inland lakes, increasing the odds on an encounter. So wolves alter their behavior, hunting in larger packs in heavy snows, thus tripling the number of moose they kill. With fewer moose in the spring to dine on balsam firs, more of the saplings survive. "We have to look at more than just predator numbers and population dynamics if we're interested in how - or whether - predators affect ecosystems," says Eric Post of the University of Oslo, lead author of the study. Animals in the Mix In the classical view of ecology, animal behavior wasn't in the mix. Now it is. The wolves in Isle Royale National Park have weathered 40 years as subjects of an ongoing study. (ABCNEWS.com/Magellan Geographix) "Behavior is far more important" in ecosystems than previously realized, commented Oswald Schmitz, associate professor of forestry and environmental studies at Yale University. "What it also suggests is that these animals are smart. They're a lot smarter than we give them credit for." If animals can adapt their behavior to climate, he says, then global warming scenarios may not be so dire. The study greatly broadens what ecologists need to examine. "If we're interested in the effects of climate on ecosystem dynamics," Post says, "we have to be open to looking beyond the numbers of things in the ecosystem to looking at how those things interact with each other as well as with the environment." Ideal Natural Lab Isle Royale is an ideal natural laboratory for scientists. Just 210 square miles, with simple relationships: wolves eat moose, moose eat balsam firs. When something changes, it's easy to follow the cascading effect. Rolf Peterson, a co-author, has been studying the Isle Royale wolves for 30 years, flying low in the winter looking for tracks, hiking through the national park in the summer, searching for moose carcasses. "As ecosystems go," he says, "it's a neat and tidy story." The idea that weather happenings over the North Atlantic affects wolf behavior in Michigan is "staggering," says David Mech, a senior scientist for U.S. Geological Survey and author of numerous books on wolves. The study, he says, can help "lead to a better understanding of the natural world." It's much more than just a wolf-eat-moose world. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: Trackers- Tanning Raccoon Hide If there is still moist stuff on the scraper you aren't done. It's normal for the hair to come through the other side a bit. The scraped side should be somewhat fuzzy but with a bit of an oily feel. If there is still gooey stuff on the scraper you should let the hide dry for a while. Then scrape it again. Keep doing this until its fuzzy. Don't rush with oily hides. By the way, use a dull scraper, about the same as a butter knife. Peter > I'm tanning a Raccoon hide - my first try at tanning anything. I've > stretched it and dried it and scraped it. Even though it is as dry as it > will probably get, when I scape off the dry layer, there still seems to be > some fatty stuff on the scaper. Is this normal? I've heard raccoon is > pretty greasy. If anyone has brain-tanned a raccoon hide, do you have any > pointers? I'm doing it with the hair on. I've got it scraped to the point > where I can see the hairs in the follicles so I think I've done enough. My > next step will be to lightly sand the hide then brain it. Am I on the right > track here? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:13:16 -0500 From: Tracker Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting "Harvest" ????? Is it called "harvesting" when 2 teenagers shoot up school kids? Is it called "harvesting" when humans are murdered in war? Is it called "harvesting" when humans murder those who murder other humans (so-called "capital punishment")? Why don't you call it what it is: murder. Deer or humans, it's the same....why is there a different word? Murder is the killing of another being, the taking away of that other being's life. Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word, but when one human kills another, (even for food?) it is called a "bad" word, "murder". If you stalked and hunted those deer with your bare hands, one-on-one, asking the deer beforehand if you could take its life, and you had very high justification for taking away its life (such as if you were starving), and the deer AGREED (yes, we usually only hear that we should "ask", but not whether the deer WANTS to be killed), then you could call it harvesting. Otherwise it's murder. Call it what it is. - -----Original Message----- From: cales@brier.net [mailto:cales@brier.net] Sent: October 30, 1999 12:40 PM To: trackers@mailinglists.org Subject: Trackers- hunting i have come to realize a few things this hunting season. bow season started oct 19. since then i have only been able to get out to hunt 4 times. during these 4 daze i could have easily harvested a deer each day, IF i was using a gun. with a bow, it's different. you have to KNOW your prey, terrain, wind patterns where you hunt, water sourses, food sourses, movement patterns, etc.. i thought i'd use a crow decoy and crow call to make the deer believe there are no humans in the area. i did not use any distress calls, or alarm calls. only the slow 2 caw questioning call. well, i realized that the deer have a much more highly developed hearing than a crow. later on i would "mess" with the crows and get them to come to me using the distress or gathering call. the deer are able to tell that something is wrong with this "crow". the call isn't "right". the deer or one in the heard, usually the first to move through your area will come to investigate the strangeness that is making this "not quite right" call. they are on alert and wary at the time. i believe that the crow decoy will work, but will no longer use the call. i now refuse to use a gun in hunting , because it is just too easy. most deer are harvested during gun season. but i do not see it as "hunting" . you see the deer, blam, deer dead. to me hunting is an involved process. a responsibility to KNOW my prey, and the area i'm in. Preserve wildlife habitat, shoot a land developer. a t-shirt logo - - To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:15:39 -0500 From: Chad Wawrzyniak Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting While you're at it why don't you add our plant brothers and sisters to that list!???! You're pointing an awfully long and harsh finger when "Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word"... but you seem to be quilty of pretty much the same. Just an observation. >"Harvest" ????? > >Is it called "harvesting" when 2 teenagers shoot up school kids? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans are murdered in war? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans murder those who murder other humans >(so-called "capital punishment")? >Why don't you call it what it is: murder. Deer or humans, it's the >same....why is there a different word? Murder is the killing of another >being, the taking away of that other being's life. >Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is >killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word, but when one >human kills another, (even for food?) it is called a "bad" word, "murder". > >If you stalked and hunted those deer with your bare hands, one-on-one, >asking the deer beforehand if you could take its life, and you had very high >justification for taking away its life (such as if you were starving), and >the deer AGREED (yes, we usually only hear that we should "ask", but not >whether the deer WANTS to be killed), then you could call it harvesting. >Otherwise it's murder. >Call it what it is. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:36:14 -0500 From: Sean Duffy Subject: Reference to Stalking Wolf Hey did anyone see the story in Modern Maturity magazine Nov - Dec issue? It has a story called Cobra a la Carte and other Tales of Unforgetable Guides and one of the stories is on page 54 called 'The Grandfather Quest' by Tom Brown Jr. There is a cool picture of Stalking Wolf and a picture of the White Coyote on top. My father showed me the article from his magazine. Pretty cool! Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:34:01 -0500 From: cales@brier.net Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting my, my, ... yes i ask for permission to kill it. i'd rather eat wild meat than a stupid cow. like they say, you are what you eat. and i ain't a veger. vegetarianism is only possible if you live in a tropical area, or with todays mass shipping. yeah i know, you can store food, bet you'll get tired of stored food after awhile. fresh is much better. o.k., i'm gonna murder a deer. do you say wolves "murder" deer. they KILL. just like i do. it's kind of unrealistic to kill a deer with yer bare hands or teeth. i know a guy who tried the jump on a deer trick from a tree. the deer almost killed him. he was kicked 15 times in a few seconds before he let go. humans aren't designed to do that. we have to have some kind of weapon. i don't like to use guns. it's too easy. i use traditional archery ways. no fancy stuff, no sights. i KNOW my bow and arrows and what they do, how they fly, etc.. >"Harvest" ????? > Preserve wildlife habitat, shoot a land developer. a t-shirt logo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Wall Subject: Re: Trackers- Debris huts, burning logs, and other odds and ends. >Just thought id share my beautiful sunday afternoon. 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New View of 1st Americans Emerges

In a radical new view of pre-history, two prominent archaeologists say North America's first inhabitants may have crossed the icy Atlantic Ocean some 18,000 years ago from Europe's Iberian Peninsula.

The theory, presented at a weekend archaeology conference, is at odds with the long-held notion that the continent's first settlers came across a land bridge from Asia.

The conventional view is wandering cavemen wrapped in animal hides and lugging enormous spears, crossing the land bridge from Asia to hunt woolly mammoths.

Archaeologists say some nomads almost certainly made their way into Alaska and found an ice-free highway down into the continent some 13,500 years ago. Their culture has been named Clovis for their distinctive weapons that have been found in digs nationwide.

But according to the new theory, the continent's first inhabitants may have crossed the Atlantic more than 18,000 years ago from Europe's Iberian Peninsula -- the area that is now Spain, Portugal and southwestern France.

Belonging to a group known as the Solutreans, these pre-modern explorers are believed to have originally settled the Eastern Seaboard, according to the researchers.

Over the next six millennia, their hunting and gathering culture may have spread as far as the American deserts and Canadian tundra, and perhaps into South America.

The researchers, Dennis Stanford and Bruce Bradley, concede the Solutreans may not have been the only paleo-explorers to reach the Western Hemisphere.

But judging by their distinctive style of projectile points and other clues in the archaeological record, they may have been the first settlers who brought to North America what, until now, has been considered the Clovis culture.

"There is very little in Clovis -- in fact, nothing -- that is not found in Solutrea," says Stanford, who is anthropology curator at the Smithsonian Institution. "Their blades are virtually indistinguishable."

How seafaring Solutreans could have arrived in North America is unknown.

But based on his knowledge of modern native cultures above the Arctic Circle, Stanford says it's not farfetched to imagine Solutreans sailing to the New World in skin boats. With a strong current and favorable weather, the trip might have taken as little as three weeks, he calculates.

By this time in pre-history, he says, South Pacific islanders had been sailing open waters for at least 20,000 years.

Other scientists say the Solutrean alternative is so radical that it might take years to adequately evaluate. Stanford and Bradley's new explanation, they note, is based primarily on comparisons of artifacts already discovered on both sides of the Atlantic.

No unequivocal Solutrean settlement remains have been found in North America, they said.

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Study Raises Global Warming Warning

In a study that may sound a warning about global warming, researchers have found evidence that the world's climate can change suddenly, almost like a thermostat that clicks from cold to hot.

A new technique for analyzing gases trapped in Greenland glaciers shows that an ice age that gripped the Earth for thousands of years ended abruptly some 15,000 years ago when the average air temperatures soared.

"There was a 16-degree abrupt warming at the end of the last ice age," says Jeffrey P. Severinghaus of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, lead author of a study published Friday in the journal Science. "It happened within just a couple of decades. The old idea was that the temperature would change over a thousand years. But we found it was much faster."

It still took hundreds of years for the ice to recede, but the start of the great thaw was much more sudden than scientists had once thought.

This suggests that the Earth's climate is "tippy" -- prone to be stable for long periods, but then suddenly change when the conditions are right. It raises a red flag of caution for the effect of greenhouse gases on global warming.

"We know that over the next 100 years the Earth will probably warm because of the greenhouse effect and there is a remote possibility that we might trigger one of these abrupt climate changes," he says.

Many experts have predicted that global warming, caused by an increase in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, will be gradual, with temperatures smoothly rising over many decades.

But, Severinghaus’ Greenland ice core study suggests that changes in the Earth's climate may not be smooth, but sudden.

Bruce Bauer, a climate researcher at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration in Boulder, Colo., urges caution in interpreting such results. "Previous research showing really rapid changes have been debunked as more research has been done," he says.

The reason is the existence of "shear zones." When snow accumulates to about 150 feet high it compresses the ice, causing it to flow like toothpaste, he says.

Consequently, the ice that is being analyzed may not be from the time that researchers think it is, resulting in distorted information.

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Oct. = 28 —  Arsons, bombings and sabotage in the name of savi= ng the environment and its creatures have swept the American West over th= e last two decades. At least 100 major acts of such violence have occurre= d since 1980, causing $42.8 million in damages, an examination of hundred= s of crimes in 11 contiguous Western states revealed.

   
 
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‘There will be much more attention to these issues = when someone does get killed. I think we=92ve come very close to that lin= e, and we will cross that line unless we deal with this problem.’
— JAMES DAMITIO
U.S. Forest Service investigator 		       IN THE LAST four years alone, the West has bee= n rocked by 33 substantial incidents, with damages reaching $28.8 million= =2E
       Law enforcement agencies are for the most part= baffled by the mounting phenomenon.
       In August, an animal experimentation lab in Or= ange, Calif., was vandalized, sustaining $250,000 in damages. In May, ars= on destroyed a $65,000 log loader at a chip mill near Cle Elum, Wash., th= at draws from the Wenatchee National Forest, and arson struck a Eugene, O= re., meat processor, causing $350,000 in damages.
       Oregon leads the Western states in dollar dama= ges. From the 1981 torching of an herbicide-spraying helicopter on the st= ate’s central coast, to the 1993 pipe-bombing of a federal predator= - -control office in Portland, to the 1998 arson of a timber company headqu= arters in Medford, damage in Oregon has exceeded $13 million in 20 incide= nts — more than California’s $8.4 million in 30 incidents.        
FEW CLUES
       The crimes are typically intended to disrupt l= ogging, the recreational use of wilderness, or the use of animals for fur= , food or research. They stymie law enforcement agents, who find aftermat= h scenes relatively free of clues except for spray-painted signs decrying= environmental abuse. And in many cases, such as the arson nearly one yea= r ago at the Vail, Colo., ski resort, a nameless communiqué is sent= to a sympathetic mouthpiece.
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The Portland Oregonian has finished = a 10-month investigation into eco-terrorism, part of which is reproduced = here.
= •Investigation finds eco-terror= ism is escalating
= •Trapping eco-terrorists hasn't= been easy
In the Vail case, a Portland animal rights activist, Craig Rosebraugh, ca= lled local and national media to say he did not know who sent him the mes= sage but to clearly state the purpose of the $12 million blaze: protectin= g lynx habitat from destruction by the ski resort’s developers. Ros= ebraugh, laying responsibility to a group called Earth Liberation Front, = had acted as messenger before but has never been linked by authorities to= the crimes.
       The crimes are acts of domestic terrorism = 51; violence intended to change the behavior of individuals and instituti= ons or to alter public policies. Environmental preservation is their caus= e, making them distinct from other terrorist acts, such as the 1995 bombi= ng of a federal building in Oklahoma City, which killed 168 people.
       But the crimes are not classified as environme= ntal, because few agree on a definition.
       Radical environmentalists contend that terms s= uch as “eco-terrorism” and “environmental terrorism= 48; unfairly spread blame to all who care about protecting the Earth. Som= e dispute even the existence of a widespread problem. Loggers, ranchers a= nd animal researchers, however, say the crimes are acts designed to intim= idate them and that they represent a dangerous, emerging epidemic.
       
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ESCALATION IN LAST SIX YEARS
       The Oregonian of Portland examined the crimes = and found the threat to humans and property in the American West to be re= al — and on the rise.
       In its 10-month review, The Oregonian evaluate= d hundreds of incidents noted by the Animal Liberation Front, Fur Commiss= ion USA, the U.S. Forest Service, Public Employees for Environmental Resp= onsibility, Americans for Medical Progress and others. It used the FBI�= 146;s definition of terrorism — a crime intended to coerce, intimid= ate or change public policy — and considered only those crimes in w= hich damage totaled at least $50,000 or that put human lives at risk.
=        The newspaper reviewed thousands of pages of p= olice files, court records, government reports and news accounts, and int= erviewed more than 200 people, including victims, police and a few convic= ted of the crimes.
       Borderline cases that could not be convincingl= y linked to environmental terrorism were thrown out.
       Although these crimes started nearly two decad= es ago — some seem clearly inspired by Edward Abbey’s 1975 no= vel, “The Monkey Wrench Gang” — they have escalated dan= gerously, sometimes with the use of bombs, in the last six years.
       On Memorial Day weekend in 1993, a pipe bomb e= xploded in the window of an unoccupied U.S. Department of Agriculture pre= dator-control office in Portland. The agency had killed coyotes, black be= ars and cougars that threatened livestock. Environmentalists had fought b= itterly with the agency about those killings and were, for the first time= in the West, suspected by law enforcement officials of a bombing.
       But no charges were ever filed.
       Since then, bombs have exploded on logging tru= cks in California, on the roof of a Forest Service office in New Mexico a= nd inside meat and feed businesses in Utah.
       Even more worrisome to federal agents are larg= e-scale arsons.
       Vail’s $12 million burn was preceded in = 1996 by the torching of ranger district headquarters in Oakridge, Ore., a= loss now calculated at $9 million, and two federal wildlife offices in 1= 998 in Washington state worth $1.9 million.
       None of these cases has been solved.
       The FBI, prompted by the 1995 Oklahoma City bo= mbing, set up task forces throughout the United States to look into domes= tic terrorism. Some of those forces have spent many hours sharing leads i= n environmental terrorism cases.
       But those investigations have been spotty and = unsuccessful. Fewer than a quarter of the 100 major cases have been solve= d.
       Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore, is among those who f= eel authorities haven’t taken eco-terrorists seriously enough. = 47;I fear we’re not aggressively pursuing eco-terrorists in the sam= e way we pursue abortion bombers,” he said. “They’re bo= th criminals, and both deserve vigorous prosecution and punishment.”= ;
       
HARD TO TRACK DOWN
       Eco-terrorists frustrate investigators by hitt= ing remote targets, often at night, and leaving little evidence but charr= ed ruins.
       About the only time police catch the terrorist= s is when clues are delivered to them. The rest of the time, the terroris= ts have remained anonymous while identifying their group or left such a t= rail of circumstantial evidence as to draw attention to their cause.
       Until recently, terroristic crimes in the name= of environmental protection had limited, local impact and drew little at= tention because they were spread over two decades and such vast territory= =2E But targets have grown larger in recent years.
       Larger targets meant more damage. And more dam= age meant more attention, said Special Agent James Damitio, a veteran U.S= =2E Forest Service investigator in Corvallis, Ore.
       “The objective of these people is to bri= ng attention to their cause for change,” Damitio said. “And i= f they don’t feel like they’re getting that attention, they t= ry something else.”
       
HOW NETWORK OPERATES
       Environmental terrorists have taunted authorit= ies by taking convincing but nameless credit for 67 of the 100 major crim= es identified by The Oregonian. They have routinely passed anonymous note= s and encrypted computer e-mails to people such as Rosebraugh and to news= organizations.
       In the summer of 1997, terrorists took credit = for torching a $1.3 million slaughterhouse in Redmond, Ore., on behalf of= the Animal Liberation Front. They passed a communiqué to the ALF p= ress office in Minnesota and to Rosebraugh, who disseminated specific det= ails: The activists drilled holes in the walls of the slaughterhouse and = poured 35 gallons of homemade napalm inside, then set three electrically = timed incendiaries to “bring to a screeching halt what countless pr= otests and letter-writing campaigns could never stop.”
       Police recognized the claim as credible and ac= curate but have yet to arrest anyone.
       The anonymous claiming of credit infuriates th= e authorities. But it reveals a pattern about the perpetrators: Anyone wh= o commits an act of environmental terrorism and claims credit on behalf o= f the Animal Liberation Front or the Earth Liberation Front, or other und= erground groups, is automatically a “member.” There are no me= mbership rosters, no boards of directors, just a collective sentiment tha= t is enough to inspire certain people to commit life-threatening crimes a= gainst society.
       Police believe the perpetrators are typically = ad hoc bands of two to six individuals who focus on hitting specific targ= ets.
       
HISTORY OF EXTREMISM
       Serious environmental terrorism started to mou= nt in the late 1980s as conservationists fought to prevent loggers from c= utting ancient trees that provided habitat for the threatened northern sp= otted owl.
       Taking pages right out of a 1985 sabotage manu= al — “ECODEFENSE: A Field Guide to Monkeywrenching” �= 151; terrorists damaged dozens of bulldozers and other logging equipment = in timber-rich Oregon, Washington, Northern California and Montana.
       At the same time, arsonists in California stru= ck butcher shops, meatpacking plants, a cattle yard and university labs i= n an attempt to persuade such enterprises to stop using animals for food = and research.
       A decade later, in 1996, underground environme= ntalists and animal-rights activists were working together to save forest= s and animals from what they saw as the ravages of humankind.
       The Earth Liberation Front, an English offshoo= t of Earth First!, and the Animal Liberation Front spent the Columbus Day= weekend vandalizing gas stations and fast-food restaurants along Interst= ate 5 between Eugene and Grants Pass, Ore.
       Less than two weeks later, someone spray paint= ed “ELF” and “STOP RAPING OUR FOREST” on the side= of the Detroit ranger district headquarters in Oregon’s heavily lo= gged Willamette National Forest, then set fire to a Forest Service pickup= =2E An unburned incendiary device was later found on the roof of the rang= er station.
       Two nights later, 75 miles south in the same n= ational forest, the Oakridge ranger district headquarters went up in flam= es.

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       The next year, in March 1997, ALF declared an = official alliance with ELF in a letter to the supervisor of the Willamett= e National Forest.
       “Solidarity between these two movements = is the worst nightmare of those who would abuse the Earth and its citizen= s,” the note warned. “Leave the forests alone, and no one get= s hurt.”
       What followed was the most concentrated spate = of environmental terrorism in U.S. history: at least 12 arsons and nearly= $17.9 million in damage, most of it in the Pacific Northwest.
       The two organizations — sometimes jointl= y, sometimes alone — took credit for almost all of it.
       
VAIL ARSON RAISED AWARENESS
       The Vail ski resort arson was the centerpiece.=
       In that action, arsonists hit the playground o= f the well-to-do by torching five buildings, including a 33,000-square-fo= ot lodge, and several ski lifts. The $12 million conflagration was the mo= st destructive act of eco-terrorism in U.S. history.
       When Rosebraugh announced that the Earth Liber= ation Front was responsible, he issued an announcement on behalf of the p= erpetrators: “For your safety and convenience, we strongly advise s= kiers to choose other destinations until Vail cancels its inexcusable pla= ns for expansion.”
       The Vail arson awakened the public to eco-terr= orism. Some federal agents who had kept tabs on the mounting crimes joked= privately that it took an upscale target like Vail to take the problem i= nto the mainstream.
       To almost everyone’s amazement, no one h= as been killed so far, but some observers worry what will happen next.        Damitio, the federal agent in Corvallis, is on= e. “The old adage is, we’re not going to do anything about it= until somebody gets killed,” he said. “I think it’s tr= ue.
       “There will be much more attention to th= ese issues when someone does get killed. I think we’ve come very cl= ose to that line, and we will cross that line unless we deal with this pr= oblem.”
       
 
       
   
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- --------------74E81A91AF3BB721E7865A88-- ------------------------------ End of trackers-d V1 #532 ************************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, send 'unsubscribe' in the body of an e-mail message to 'trackers-d-request@mailinglists.org' For more info: http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html trackers-d Monday, November 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 533 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Wall Subject: Re: Trackers- Pictures of Tracking 1999 gathering Thanks, Kim. I thought by the size of the track that Waldo must be a sasquatch, and was glad to get confirmation in the photo. ;) - --John ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:46:46 EST From: SalWag@aol.com Subject: Lone Coyote Thanks for sharing the nice day........ SalWag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:47:34 EST From: SalWag@aol.com Subject: Chicago area connections I am looking for folks in the Chicago area who have gone to Tracker school to connect via e-mail, or in person if it works out in that direction. I need guidance on where to start from where I am at, in this area, regarding attunement/skills in nature. I am on a nature/spiritual path already - want some "practical" time and experience to go along with that. Blessings and Balance, SalWag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:09:29 -0800 From: clemenza@us.ibm.com Subject: Squirrel Uses Anyone know some good uses for a murdered squirrel? In my lack of awareness, I just killed one. He was running at the car, I swerved into the other lane but still couldn't avoid him. I feel bad and that I should make some good use of this sacrifice. I'm at work and don't have any way to preserve the meat, so unfortunately that's out. I have the tail and am thinking that the feet would be good for tracking. Anyone know what can be done to preserve the feet? Do I just dry them out or should I try salting or some kind of sealing procedure? Also, I can just pull the hide once proper incisions are made, right? I plan to use gloves and a mask as well. Thanks! Sean Clemenza clemenza@us.ibm.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:00:18 +0000 From: Pamela Heyda Subject: Re: Trackers- Squirrel Uses Hi Sean, Sorry to hear you hit a squirrel, but it happens to even the best intentioned people (me included). Someone once told me you can make a medicine pouch out of a squirrel by removing the head, cleaning out the insides, turning it inside out and tanning the hide, and voila, a bag. I have not tested this and don't know how difficult it is, especially if you leave the arms and legs attached or not. But if you feel adventurous it might be worth a try. Pam clemenza@us.ibm.com wrote: > Anyone know some good uses for a murdered squirrel? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:29:17 EST From: Coyotspirit@aol.com Subject: Re: Trackers- Debris huts, burning logs, and other odds and ends. In a message dated 11/1/99 11:18:57 AM Central Standard Time, bobcat9.geo@yahoo.com writes: << >Just thought id share my beautiful sunday afternoon. Thanks, that was a beauty. What state are you in? --John >> Im north of chicago about 60 miles in IL. Good Medicine, Lone Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:41:50 -0800 From: "Kyle Ross" Subject: Re: Trackers- Squirrel Uses This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF2466.7816FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Condolences on your inadvertent destruction. I suspect cars are the = leading cause of death on the planet.=20 We get squirrels killed by internal combustion powered projectiles all = the time. If they are fresh we pick them up and freeze them and later = feed them to a non-releasable turkey vulture at the nearby outdoor = education school. It is at least good to get them out of the roadway so that others don't = have to die later as they consume the remains. Kyle kylote@directcon.net - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF2466.7816FDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Condolences on your=20 inadvertent  destruction. I suspect cars are the  leading = cause of=20 death on the planet.
We get squirrels killed by internal combustion = powered=20 projectiles all the time. If they are fresh we pick them up and freeze = them and=20 later feed them to a non-releasable turkey vulture at  the nearby = outdoor=20 education school.
 It is at least good to get them out = of the=20 roadway so that others don't have to die later as they consume the=20 remains.
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kylote@directcon.net - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF2466.7816FDA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:54:33 EST From: Coyotspirit@aol.com Subject: Re: Trackers- Squirrel Uses I have heard to case skin the squirrel and pull it on like a sock with the fur inside. Wear it around until it dries hard. And presto you have yourself a moccasin. But you have to tie the head opening shut and you can leave the tail to "cover your tracks" ;) Ive heard when dry they aint that bad. Probley not the studiest things but a "thing" non the less. Only problem is your gonna have to aim for another one unless you like one foot being cold. Good Medicine, Lone Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 21:38:10 +0000 From: Pamela Heyda Subject: Re: Trackers- Debris huts, burning logs, and other odds and ends. Wow! I grew up in the Chicago area (Berwyn) and although there were some forest preserves nearby I think of it as pure urban environment. It is really wonderful to hear that you have a place to practice skills in and retreat to! Have you ever heard of Chicago Wilderness magazine? It is small and inexpensive and I think you'd like it! Pam > Im north of chicago about 60 miles in IL. > > Good Medicine, > Lone Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:07:22 -0500 From: "Ryan Meadows" Subject: College? I am sorry to post an unskilled related post, but this has been bothering me for quite awhile. I am 19 years old and I am wondering whether I should go to college. If I don't go to college I will be able to go to more tracker classes and have more time to practice my skills and follow that path with true dedication. If I do that I also have to spend 40 hrs. or more a week working in a job that brings me absolutely no joy, and there won't be much improvement in the future. If I go to college I could more than likely get a job in a field that I enjoy, and be able to take vacation time later to go to tracker classes. It will also mean that for 4 years I won't have much time to practice primitive skills. I don't know quite what to do. I respect all of your opinions and you have helped me many times before. I know that in the end the choice is mine and mine alone, but I have been pondering this for way to long. I was also wondering what the best degree field would be for field research of wild animals(obvious passion huh). Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:36:23 -0500 From: hjeeves@us.ibm.com Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting Doesn't Grandfather say something to Tom about feeling the same way about a blade of grass as you would a deer??? - - why get so angry? Why not just ask what the person really meant, rather than jump down their throat? In my estimation, 'harvest' is a quite respectful word, implying thanksgiving and gaining only after hard work. But then, that's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own. - - yes, society is screwed up. And here we are in the middle of it. - - if people in this society considered humans a viable food source (yuck! have you see what they eat?!?) then I'm sure someone, somewhere would 'harvest' people, too. HJ Chad Wawrzyniak on 11/01/99 11:15:39 AM Please respond to trackers@mailinglists.org To: trackers@mailinglists.org cc: Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting While you're at it why don't you add our plant brothers and sisters to that list!???! You're pointing an awfully long and harsh finger when "Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word"... but you seem to be quilty of pretty much the same. Just an observation. >"Harvest" ????? > >Is it called "harvesting" when 2 teenagers shoot up school kids? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans are murdered in war? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans murder those who murder other humans >(so-called "capital punishment")? >Why don't you call it what it is: murder. Deer or humans, it's the >same....why is there a different word? Murder is the killing of another >being, the taking away of that other being's life. >Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is >killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word, but when one >human kills another, (even for food?) it is called a "bad" word, "murder". > >If you stalked and hunted those deer with your bare hands, one-on-one, >asking the deer beforehand if you could take its life, and you had very high >justification for taking away its life (such as if you were starving), and >the deer AGREED (yes, we usually only hear that we should "ask", but not >whether the deer WANTS to be killed), then you could call it harvesting. >Otherwise it's murder. >Call it what it is. - - To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:50:30 -0500 From: George Olschewski Subject: RE: Trackers- hunting Using your arguement, taking the life of a plant is no less murder than a deer, or other form of life. Plants give up their lives to nourish and heal us just as much as animals do, and they have as much of a right to exist as a deer, a skunk, a mouse, a tomato, a peach, or a grape. In fact, since the fruit is in fact, the offspring and potential "child" of a plant, are we guilty of "vegetative murder?" There has existed, and will continue to exist, something called the "Circle of Life." It's a cruel world out there, but there are those who live in harmony with it, those attempting to return to it, and those who are alien to it. Nobody accuses the wolf of murder when it stalks and kills a deer. Nobody wants to execute the lioness in the wilds of Africa when it kills a zebra. That's just the way nature is. The creator made it as such. However, in bad winters when wolves, dogs, or other predators kill livestock due to man's altering the ecosystem, then we (meaning the unaware mankind) want to kill these predators. But I digress. And this is just in the so-called "higher" life forms. What about all the thousands of millions of bacteria that die needlessly as we ingest them? Don't they have any rights? Save the amoebas! I remember a bumper sticker- Save the planet- Kill yourself. I know, I'm going to extreme sarcasm, and I'm working to curb it (honestly). But seriously, I agree with your comment that humans are all to involved with their own self-importance (After all, doesn't the "good book" say we have dominion over land and beasts? [said with dripping sarcasm, illustrating the point]). I was rereading TBJr's FG to Living With The Earth, specifically the hunting chapter. Cales' post regarding knowing your prey and the area you're in being crucial is correct, and if your skills are good, the prey does, in fact agree to be killed, in honor of the hunter's skill. I quote: "There is another element to the hunt that is just as important as all the others combined. That is reverence and respect for the animal that is being hunted. The Native Americans believe (and so do I) that in a truly sacred hunt, the animal's death is not so much a killing by the hunter as it is a sacrifice by the animal. They believe that the hunter, through his prayers and dedication, becomes so attuned to the animal's spirit that it finally gives itself to him in honor of his skill and devotion." (FG to Living with the Earth, p. 154) There are times when killing is indeed senseless and destructive (Ask Chuckie Manson, anyone involved in Columbine, or even Waco), and yes, that is murder. Capital punishment is hard for me to grapple with. While I see the reasoning for it, I also have a difficult time in accepting the logic of killing people who kill people to teach others not to kill people. Killing for peace also seems like having sex for virginity. But calling killing an animal (especially in the proper way, and for food, clothing, etc.) murder is a misuse of the term. Just my $.02 George At 11:13 AM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >"Harvest" ????? > >Is it called "harvesting" when 2 teenagers shoot up school kids? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans are murdered in war? >Is it called "harvesting" when humans murder those who murder other humans >(so-called "capital punishment")? >Why don't you call it what it is: murder. Deer or humans, it's the >same....why is there a different word? Murder is the killing of another >being, the taking away of that other being's life. >Humans are so caught up with their own importance that when anything else is >killed it is called "harvesting" or some other "nice" word, but when one >human kills another, (even for food?) it is called a "bad" word, "murder". > >If you stalked and hunted those deer with your bare hands, one-on-one, >asking the deer beforehand if you could take its life, and you had very high >justification for taking away its life (such as if you were starving), and >the deer AGREED (yes, we usually only hear that we should "ask", but not >whether the deer WANTS to be killed), then you could call it harvesting. >Otherwise it's murder. >Call it what it is. > >-----Original Message----- >From: cales@brier.net [mailto:cales@brier.net] >Sent: October 30, 1999 12:40 PM >To: trackers@mailinglists.org >Subject: Trackers- hunting > > >i have come to realize a few things this hunting season. >bow season started oct 19. since then i have only been able to get out to >hunt 4 times. >during these 4 daze i could have easily harvested a deer each day, IF i was >using a gun. with a bow, it's different. you have to KNOW your prey, >terrain, wind patterns where you hunt, water sourses, food sourses, >movement patterns, etc.. i thought i'd use a crow decoy and crow call to >make the deer believe there are no humans in the area. i did not use any >distress calls, or alarm calls. only the slow 2 caw questioning call. >well, i realized that the deer have a much more highly developed hearing >than a crow. later on i would "mess" with the crows and get them to come to >me using the distress or gathering call. the deer are able to tell that >something is wrong with this "crow". the call isn't "right". the deer or >one in the heard, usually the first to move through your area will come to >investigate the strangeness that is making this "not quite right" call. >they are on alert and wary at the time. i believe that the crow decoy will >work, but will no longer use the call. >i now refuse to use a gun in hunting , because it is just too easy. most >deer are harvested during gun season. but i do not see it as "hunting" . >you see the deer, blam, deer dead. >to me hunting is an involved process. a responsibility to KNOW my prey, and >the area i'm in. > > >Preserve wildlife habitat, shoot a land developer. >a t-shirt logo > > > > >- >To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to >trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in >the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: >http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html >- >- >To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to >trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in >the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: >http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html >- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:56:28 -0500 From: George Olschewski Subject: SalWag- check this out Something you might want to look into to get your "feet wet," so to speak, while you're looking for a partner is the Kamana program offered by the Wilderness Awareness School, run by Tom Brown's first student, Jon Young. While I haven't gone through it yet (I will in the near future), I have heard from a few people who've gone thru it that it is a worthwhile program and an excellent start. Having someone to share it with would be even better, but give it a shot. Find the info at http://www.natureoutlet.com and look for the Kamana Naturalist training program. George At 01:47 PM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for folks in the Chicago area who have gone to Tracker school to >connect via e-mail, or in person if it works out in that direction. I need >guidance on where to start from where I am at, in this area, regarding >attunement/skills in nature. I am on a nature/spiritual path already - want >some "practical" time and experience to go along with that. > >Blessings and Balance, >SalWag >- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:11:40 -0500 From: George Olschewski Subject: Re: Trackers- College? It's not too unrelated. . . for some, Tracker school is like another college, and I know of one person who intends to make it her official Masters degree (Hi, Stephanie). Bear in mind, I'm working on undergrad degree # 3, and I'm debating on turning some of the advanced tracking classes I'm planing on taking into an independant study bachelors or masters in Environmental Science, but I digress. My advice is go to college. College today is what a high school diploma was in the 60's and 70's- the basic entry level. I originally went to a vo-tech high school and learned a trade (industrial electric) but didn't go into it. I say this because there are many people in excellent blue-collar fields making really great money without college (plumbers, electricians, HVAC / Refrigeration people, auto mechanics, etc.) but if these aren't your bag, try taking a few college courses and seeing if it's for you. There may even be colleges that offer something like an environmental science degree (Rutgers University or Ramapo College, both in NJ offer something like that), so you might be able to get a degree that will mirror your interest in the Tracker School classes, and your experiences can even lead to a possible degree. Some of the Caretaker students who live in the Pine Barrens for a year, returning the area to a harmonious balance, could possibly have a degree packed away in that experience. Hell, the area that they took care of is in such perfect balance, colleges and universities all over ask if they can come in and look at what they did there. If there was ever a way to practice your skills, this is it. In a nutshell, I would go to college. George At 04:07 PM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am sorry to post an unskilled related post, but this has been bothering >me for quite awhile. I am 19 years old and I am wondering whether I should >go to college. If I don't go to college I will be able to go to more >tracker classes and have more time to practice my skills and follow that >path with true dedication. If I do that I also have to spend 40 hrs. or >more a week working in a job that brings me absolutely no joy, and there >won't be much improvement in the future. If I go to college I could more >than likely get a job in a field that I enjoy, and be able to take vacation >time later to go to tracker classes. It will also mean that for 4 years I >won't have much time to practice primitive skills. I don't know quite what >to do. I respect all of your opinions and you have helped me many times >before. I know that in the end the choice is mine and mine alone, but I >have been pondering this for way to long. I was also wondering what the >best degree field would be for field research of wild animals(obvious >passion huh). Thanks > >- >To UNSUBSCRIBE - Do not reply to this message! Instead, send a message to >trackers-request@mailinglists.org with blank subject and "unsubscribe" in >the body of the message (without the quotes). For more info see: >http://koransky.com/Trackers/TrackerList.html >- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 16:17:40 -0600 From: Larry Brown Subject: Re: Trackers- College? Ryan, It is truly a wise man that seeks the counsel of others. I'm going to try my hand and putting the trail of life in "Tracker" terms. If you can just imagine starting a new trek in a lovely meadow where everything is bright and walking is easy. The flowers are beautiful, a small crystal clear brook adds a nice soothing sound to the birds chirping and the air is full of springtime smells. All around you nothing is threatening, just a calm, peaceful feeling. You are caught up in the moment when you notice the brook again and start to follow it to see what else you can discover about this wonderful meadow. You happen to notice a few tracks in the sand by the stream. Upon closer observation you recognize the the tracks of animal and so you follow it a little further up the side of hill where the little brook meanders it way down into the meadow. You are enjoying the hunt so much and the challenge gets more intense now because there is less clear soil to find tracks in. But each new impression, or bruising that you find is a treasure in and of itself. You begin to notice that now a larger animal seems to be stalking the smaller one that you first started to track and you begin to feel that you must catch up to bigger animal to scare it away before it makes a tasty snack out of the smaller. The hillside is now steep, but you now have a mission and are committed. You look up from your task at hand and notice that both animals are headed up a trail that you can tell has only one path to follow around the hillside. Upon close examination, you determine that maybe if you climb a steeper grade, in fact, almost straight up, you could reach the summit and be in front of both animals. Placing you in a position that you can scare off the larger one, thus saving the life of the smaller one. You could take the easier trail that they both took, but you know that it will be hard to sneak up close enough to accomplish your mission. Now you must decide which path you'll take. Morale of the story: Too many of us want to chase rabbits all of our lives and we find out too late, that if we would climb the hill early in life, we could be looking down upon retirement from the peak instead of looking up wondering how we will ever get high enough to stop climbing and just sit down to enjoy the view. >From an old man that chased too many rabbits. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:19:25 -0500 From: Erin Subject: Re: Trackers- College? I agree with George, and would like to add that you could check out the Wilderness Awareness School in Washington. Their Kamana classes are accepted at some colleges. This way, you could get credit towards a degree and do what you want....... Erin > In a nutshell, I would go to college. > > George ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:33:00 EST From: Coyotspirit@aol.com Subject: Re: Trackers- Debris huts, burning logs, and other odds and ends. In a message dated 11/1/99 3:01:38 PM Central Standard Time, pheyda@smfc.k12.ca.us writes: << Wow! I grew up in the Chicago area (Berwyn) and although there were some forest preserves nearby I think of it as pure urban environment. It is really wonderful to hear that you have a place to practice skills in and retreat to! Have you ever heard of Chicago Wilderness magazine? It is small and inexpensive and I think you'd like it! Pam >> Yeah, the pickings are sorta slim around here but cook and lake county have great forest preserves. Though small, they are still better then nothing. Plus I have Chain O'lakes and IL beach state parks within a half hours drive. Im just thankful for what I have. The area I built the hut in is along the des plaines river. A place called McAurthors woods. Its almost a square mile in size and has some really nice old growth maple and red oak forests in it. Though some of its just thickets from all the buckthorn thats taking over. It doesnt have any trails running through the middle of it like most of them do. It does have one that goes around the perimeter of of it along the roads. This place is excelent. If anyone knows anything about ecology this place is a read gold mine. I have a biology professor freind who got his doctorial degree by researching this place. He found it so biodiverse it was granted an IL nature preserve. Which means it cant be messed with no matter what. Hes basically the one who kept it from being trailed to peices. Anyway he found that a whole bunch of threatened species use this place for nesting grounds. It has ovenbirds, Prothonitary warblers, cerulean warblers, hooded warblers, acadian flycatchers, and verrys nesting there. All of these being extremely rare around these parts. I would have to get is a big lecture on the habitat requirements and sizes of habitat to explain but trust me these are rare birds for the area. I ran across a lousiana waterthrush this spring there. Though there hasnt been any reports of breading there it certainly has the right habitat. There was also a brown creeper nest found one year! The nearest place found is central wisconsin. Theres no conifers in these woods either? Plus all your "normal" song bi